How to Pivot from Hollywood Writing to AI Disruption ( AI Apps for Neurodivergent People) - w/ Victor

I've only been legally blind. This is absolutely normal for my point of view. My guest today, Victor Vernado, went from writing for Marvel and Jimmy Kimmel to losing over $500,000 on a single tech deal. 10. Onwards to building with AI for neurodiversion folks. I may have lost about half a million dollars based on the value of a patent. After a couple successful tech builds is now working on Magic Bookie Fire, which is an AI tool to help neurodiversion folks turn the stories in their heads into actual books.

It writes with you, instead of for you, it uses AI in a way to help, like, get your story out of you. Today we cover themes of making strides in a world that has set you up to fail. How to find your next adventure, worth spending time and energy on. And most importantly, Victor shows us yet again how the only way to learn is to do. The world isn't built necessarily for me. I have challenges. I get that. For me, that just part of being alive, I have to work harder at some things than other people, because that's normal.

Subscribe for weekly episodes and remember, life is lived in the arena. Roll it. Welcome to the only podcast in the world featuring stories of high-agency individuals who are just a few steps ahead of us. Thanks, Naman. Glad to be here. So excited to be talking to you, and honestly, as we were connecting offline over email and such, I just couldn't help but realize that your profile, like your character sketch, actually sounds like a Marvel character, like an origin in terms of your origin.

So, I just want to kick off with, as a legally blind albino person, what is it like to navigate the world from your perspective, because I think that would be such a rich and just an experience that not many people can really comprehend. So, what is that like? I hate to say, but it's pretty normal. See, because from my point of view, that's all I've ever known. I've only been legally blind and I've only been, so this is absolutely normal from my point of view.

Just like, it would not be, you know, it wouldn't be normal for me to live the life of a person of Indian descent. Like, I wouldn't think that that would be normal, but that's normal for you. You know, so like, it's like, it's normal. So, from my point of view, people always ask me like, "Hey, how is it being legally blind?" I was just like normal. That's all I've ever had. Like, it's not like I had perfect vision and then it got worse.

It was like, this was it. So, for me, it's just like normal. And I understand that like, you know, the world isn't built necessarily for me. Like, it is built for other people. Like, I have challenges. I get that. But, you know, for me, that's like, that just part of being alive. Like, I know that, you know, I have to work harder at some things than other people, because that's normal. Yeah, honestly, that itself is the perspective that, you know, I was seeking, which, you know, that's super helpful. And to jump off of what you also just said at the very end there, I think when you were first starting your career in writing specifically and, you know, writing comedy, was that something that you leaned into just having that's what you said about having to work slightly harder

and, you know, just having a slightly different perspective from others, did that factor into your work at all, at least when you were in your writing days? It did factor into my work, but not, like, I didn't think when I was younger, I didn't realize that, you know, life isn't fair. Sometimes you just have to work harder. I didn't realize that. And when I was younger, I was like, everybody owes me. That was like, everybody owes me. I'm legally blind. I should have extra chances, you know?

And so, once I got over that, things changed a lot, like, but when I was younger, I wasn't thinking about that I have to work harder. Yeah, I was very much against that idea. That actually sounds a lot, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but when people say that, you know, and I mean, screw people, like, even I have been guilty of this before, but just kind of feeling like a victim, like, you feel like the world has done you wrong, and you just deserve more of whatnot.

I think in 2026, that's just referred to as feeling like the victim. So, is that kind of what you're referring to? Is that how you felt back in the day? Yeah, I am referring to that. I mean, I don't actually think it's a bad thing to recognize something like that, because if you think that, you know, you didn't get a chance, because sometimes you don't. Like, sometimes you walk into a room and somebody decides by looking at you that they don't want to deal with you.

And that's not fair. And so sometimes the world does do. Sometimes it isn't fair. But that's the thing. Like, yes, I recognize that sometimes things aren't fair, but like, you don't have a choice but to deal with it. So it's not useful to complain. I mean, and I get it. You want to be, you want to complain. You want people to know that. If only, you know, they should have given me a chance. I get it. That's how everybody feels.

So it's not, it like to ruminate in that area is not like positive. And so what made you jump out of that, I guess? What was it? Was that a single event or a switch that made you feel like, OK, this is not helpful. Let's not do this anymore. Let's do this differently. Or was it just a function of time? No, it was a single switch. It was when I was working. I was a producer for, I was a producer on the Love and Hip Hop franchise. I was a producer for a show called Leave It To Stevie, which was like a spinoff show.

And on, and that was the last time I worked on a reality. That was the last time I worked on any sort of reality show. Gotcha. Because that was the show where I was like, I think I've had enough of making shows like this. I want to do something positive. And if I want to do something positive with what I do, there are certain things that I have to figure out. And so I decided to like kind of figure out how to move forward the way I wanted to from that point on. Gotcha.

So, I mean, when you say that, that already gets my mind racing in terms of I'm very curious to unpack kind of your entire like career trajectory. Like, I know you've written for Marvel. I know you've showed up on the Jimmy Kimmel show, among others. And then I just found out that you also were a producer for reality TV. So do you mind painting us like a quick dirty snapshot of all of the various fascinating things you've gotten to experience in terms of your career?

I would say that when I started, I was just being a stand up comedian and an actor. And then I got, I had a lot of success at first, but mostly because I was a black albino. I mean, I mean, I was, I was talented. Yes. But I got cast and stuff really quickly because I was a black albino and I was talented. So like, I looked different. And then I kind of recoiled from that because I didn't want to be known as like a black albino dude. I wanted people to know that I was actually talented.

And so then I started doing more things behind the scenes and I produced some comedy specials and some TV shows and web series. And then that eventually gave me bigger roles as like producer and director on other projects. And then I started making really good money, but then I was making crappy television. And then that was when I had the kind of like change of heart. And that was like about nine years ago. And so since then I've been, so since then I've been working in producing my own stuff.

When the pandemic hit, I kind of tilted toward tech because like it was possible to do while the pandemic was happening. And then now I still do tech and media together. And like to could you also share a little bit more about what type of projects you're involved with in terms of both tech and media, just for our listeners to kind of, you know, have some context. I could say two, two things that I have right now that I think are really interesting. One is, I am starting a worldwide video game competition. So I have a video arcade.

I have a video arcade online that anybody can participate in and anybody can win. It's free, absolutely free. It runs on ads and sponsors. So we just give away prizes every day to people who play video games and you can enter from anywhere in the world. So that, that, that's a really fun project. I have it called high score game arcade at high score gamer K dot com. And then another really cool project I have right now is a project called Magic Book of Fire, which is a writing assistant project.

The most interesting thing about that is you can sit down and say, I want to write a book about whatever. And then it will interview you like a, like a writing coach would. So it'll interview you about your subject and ask you questions. And then by the time you're done, you'll have a first draft of your book. So it writes with you instead of for you. It uses AI in a way to help like get your story out of you, which is really useful for me because I, I'm a person where like, I can't concentrate enough sometimes.

And this, yeah, it helped me when it helps other people, like a lot of people who are newer divergent say it's very helpful to them. And like what sort of feedback have you received so far on Magic Book of Fire? Because I think that's such an interesting concept as somebody that has also tried to write books in the, in the past, but is nowhere close to being as disciplined as one needs to be. That really sounds like, you know, such a game changer.

I've gotten, I've gotten a lot of positive feedback about it. And actually one of the things about it is that, is that because of, so I found that some of our customers were neuro divergent and they were kind of like clustered together. And they were all like fans of the feature called the writing coach, which is what I just described. And then so I actually partnered with a, I've partnered with a company called Rising Tide Educators, which is a nonprofit.

And they deal with helping neural divergent students do higher learning. And so they reviewed the application. And so now we're taking that application and we are, we're taking that application and we're going to rebuild an educational version. And I'm hoping to do this with help from other organizations that I'm working with as well. So would that be specifically catered towards neurodivergent people than that version?

Yeah, it would be specifically catered for neurodivergent people. But it would be useful for everybody who, anybody who has trouble getting started writing, which is a lot of people, you know? Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. And I do suspect, and you know, this is probably just, you know, telling on myself, but a lot of my audience is not entirely well versed with what truly it means to be neurodivergent. So could you kind of unpack that for us by chance? Yes, I can unpack it from my point of view. Yeah, that's exactly what I was hoping for. So, I think, here's an easy way to do this.

Imagine everybody's come across somebody who's just stubborn, right? Leave, come across somebody who is stubborn. They don't make sense. They're doing something in a certain way. And you're like, why are you being that way that makes no sense? Now imagine that person is neurodivergent. And whatever it is that they're stuck on, they can't help it. They just think of things in a different way, like whatever problem that you're coming across, they just cannot react in a way that you would normally react. Like their brain works differently. And it's very, very hard for them.

That's what it's like being neurodivergent a lot of the time. That's a huge part of it. It's just like imagine that somebody you don't understand why they're acting that way. And then imagine that they don't understand either and they're stuck and they can't get out. So, I mean, so firstly, that's super helpful. I just needed a minute to digest that. But I guess having... So I come from a... It sounds so horrifying. I mean, it is horrifying.

But I mean, it's just a really rich picture, I guess, which makes it helpful at least. But what I was saying was, as somebody that also comes from tech, like where I'm going next is now, how do you build software for folks like this? Like, you know, because that would have to be custom built for them, right? Because the same tool would not work for, you know, a person that is not neurodivergent and a person that is. So is that something that you can offer any insight on?

Like, what did you do differently for the neurodivergent folks? One thing that works for me that I put into my work is I remove obstacles. I make it very easy to continue. As a person, like, for me, like, if there's an obstacle, that makes everything hard. Like, if I perceive an obstacle, that makes everything harder. And so, and so, like, knowing that I could write a book, but then trying to think through first the structure of the chapter is like, I don't want to do that.

That's an obstacle to get, because what I want to do is I want to have my ideas in front of me. I don't want to be able to write and rewrite is really what I want to do. Because I know the idea is it's just hard to, it's just hard to do all the steps and get it to the page. And so I created an app which helps me through those steps in a seamless way and removes an obstacle. And that's what's useful to me, and that's what I think is useful to people.

Very cool. And would you say there are any parallels in, you know, in terms of writing, be it comedy or for TV or what have you and building a tool that, you know, like a software tool? Are there any parallels at all between the two? Oh, absolutely. I think that all of those things are dependent on communication. So, like, being able to communicate a large idea in a simple way is universal. And so whether it's removing that obstacle with a simple design piece or covering a large subject with a simple cartoon for the New Yorker, or whether it's like getting people to understand a concept with a zinger, great line for a joke, like it's all kind of like connected and taking a large idea and then, you know, breaking it down to, like, a single piece of information that really makes everybody just, you know, get it.

Yeah. And obviously, I can think of few things that really make you exercise that muscle more than writing, right? Because all of writing is, in a sense, what you just described is to remove boundaries, remove blockers, and get people straight to your point that was in your head before, but now is in the reader's head as well. So it's almost that transfer of that idea in a really seamless frictionless manner. So I think that's a really cool call out. It's not something that, you know, I had considered before.

Next, I guess, when you mentioned that you started to, like, pivot towards tech a little bit during the pandemic, I'm assuming that at that point, tech and, like, the tech world was probably something that was super new to you. Would that be right towards you? Yes, that would be 100% right. The tech world was really new to me. I jumped in, made a couple mistakes. Yeah, so as you're probably aware, so my entire show is actually all about, you know, the first few steps at, you know, various endeavors.

And I would really like to drill down on this particular piece that, you know, what you were about to say, I guess, sorry, if I interrupted you. But yeah, I'm really curious to know the first, like, you know, couple steps that brought you into the world. You said you made mistakes. I think that's great. That tells me that there was quick progress and that's what you want. But yeah, could you really, you know, paint that picture first and take us through the, you know, really, like, all, give me all of the dirty, you know, unsexy things or, you know, learnings that you had to go through during that time. Oh, I'm going through a very unsexy dirty thing right now.

So I actually was just talking about this. Well, basically in 2025, the year that just passed, I may have lost about half a million dollars based on the value of a patent. So I developed a patent and a company bought the patent with shares. Okay. Then on November 23rd, 2025, it came out that either they or someone to them lied about three billion dollars of an investment. So currently my patents and shares are tied up in a bunch of nonsense. And so nothing is happening with it. And I've done all the work.

I have not gotten the money from the shares, nor do I have the patent currently. And so that is, you know, I, so I, but previously I had never sold a patent to a tech company. I'd never done that before. I, up until then, I had only done TV shows and appeared in TV shows and been in movies. Like, this is, this was like the very, this was like my very first tech deal. I, and I, and I actually created a patent by accident. I had a friend who was paralyzed from the neck down, and I was trying to create a video game that he could play.

And then the interface that I created turned out to be useful to a lot of people with disabilities. And then when people saw it, they suggested that I patent it. And then that eventually got me introduced to this company Infinite Reality. And then, then they screwed the pooch. I guess is the, he fumbled the ball. So that sucks. And so that's like a, a huge, I'm learning right now about that because, yeah, I mean, we should have structured a deal differently.

Like, I didn't know, I didn't know that taking the shares would be the issue. I was just like, Oh, we'll take shares, we'll go public, blah, blah, blah, you know, it'll be so easy. And theoretically, it would have been had everything gone normally, but I didn't, I didn't put enough trip wires in our contract. So for the uninitiated, i.e. me, I'm kind of struggling to understand what you could have done differently here. Like, wouldn't this still have happened, even if it was a different company that had its own troubles?

Right. But if I had put, if I had known and I had put things in the contract where like, if this happens, then I can do this. Like, I would have known, I didn't know. And so, I mean, there's not really much I could have done. And unless I, unless at that time, I had a crap load of money for the best lawyer, which I didn't. Yep. So I guess if anything, the learning here is to just, you know, plan for the worst contingencies when it comes to stuff like this, like include every little nook and claws in any contracts that you make.

I think the lesson is just have a crap load of money, just to always have, always have a lot of money so you can hire the best, smartest people. I mean, isn't that always the lesson? Like the, I mean, that's like the lesson of all lessons, right? Like if you have that. Because I, because what you're describing sounds like hell to me, just like, you have to learn everything. Like, really, I don't want to learn everything.

Well, isn't this something AI could help with? I know you've dabbled with AI. Do you do you think this would be a use case? It would be. But this was at a time, actually, when AI wasn't capable, it was before, it was before this started before. This is like, before I even developed my first AI app. This is before AI was like all over the place. Mm-hmm. Makes sense. Yeah. Then obviously, yeah, that was a very different time. And it's funny to think about that because it wasn't even that long ago.

But I know, right? Yeah, yeah. It feels like a lifetime ago when I think about two, you know, times before. It's like three, four years. Yeah. It's like that. That's crazy. Exactly. And yet it feels like somehow a couple decades have passed. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that literally every single day, there seems to be a new AI app. There seems to be a new AI that's better, that's more capable, that's faster.

And yeah, I really think that is what makes it feel like, especially if you're in the space, which, you know, I think you are, makes it really like makes feel time go really slowly, much more slower than it is in reality. So do you keep up with the latest and greatest or are you more of a passive consumer? I am a third choice, which is I do keep up with the latest and greatest like I watch. There's a couple of things that I watch where I'm just like, okay, I want to know what is coming down the pipe and what people are doing.

But I don't rush out to use the latest and greatest. I learned about them, but I don't rush out to use the latest and greatest because I think two things. One, I think that all AI is just becoming the same, like it's just merging, like everything's becoming the same, like, you know, chat GPT was doing this thing and Jim and I was like, Oh, Jim and I was like, as cool as chat GPT used to be, you know, like, but it's all turning into the same thing.

And then because pretty soon is, you know, every everything's going to have the same video capabilities, image capabilities, all of them capabilities. Yep. So, so that's one reason why I don't do that. And then number two, I don't think that the strongest AI or the best AI is actually the answer. I think what is the answer is what you build with AI as a component, because what's so powerful right now is not that you could have the strongest AI.

What's powerful is that you can build machines of any kind that have components that can think that's the new thing. Like, imagine, imagine, and they don't have to, so AI doesn't have to cover everything. Like, AI does not have to drive a self driving car. A self driving car is a combination of AI modules that do things together, like one that recognizes things on the street, one that knows how to, you know, tell the steering wheel and gas, what to do.

So there's different, so those AIs, each is really, really good at doing their own little thing. And then so, then they communicate with each other. And that, and with that kind of idea, you can build anything that, and, and its components can think, and it doesn't have to be a machine. It doesn't have to be a physical machine. It can also be an agent or something online, too. That's super cool. Yeah, almost like a modular way of building things, right? Like, you don't have to think of it as a monolithic, big system.

You can just pick and choose exactly what you need to solve a specific problem, right? Is that exactly what you're getting to? And then each component can be, each component can be like thoughtful and great. And then, yeah. And then that means that you can build a something overall that has like an insane functionality. Mm hmm. Yep. So, as you were referring to earlier in our conversation, when you first pivoted to tech, it was the pandemic.

And obviously, AI was not a thing then. So, I guess, in what ways has it changed if somebody's looking to pivot into tech today, you know, and that they're trying to start make their first steps. Let's say they just have an idea right now. Could you contrast for us in a way that's, I think that would be really helpful. How it used to be different pre AI era and like in the AI era, and maybe if there's any pitfalls that you've noticed that a lot of people fall into.

Well, pre AI era, I don't really know how it's different because remember, like, I wasn't really in tech before the pandemic. So, I mean, I did a couple of things. I did start. So high score game arcade, I started before AI. Like, yeah, that was my understanding. Yeah. And then, but other than that, like, I didn't really, I don't even know. I have no idea. In fact, I can't even tell you what the app market is like now because I'm definitely not going down the same road as most people I know who were in the app market because I work.

I work so much in entertainment as well. So like, okay. So like everything I do kind of fold back into the entertainment world. And so it's like, I'm not necessarily doing all the same stuff that people in the app world are doing. Gotcha. And is there a reason for that? Is that just because you're familiar with the entertainment industry? Is that it? Yeah, I'm familiar with the entertainment industry and also things that I'm doing in the app world and definitely building them to sell.

So the thing that I have going for me that is valuable, I think, is that I can take something like AI and I can build something that feels unique. And that's hard to do. I think in the world of AI right now. And so that I think, for instance, like the Magic Book of Fire, the writing coach, like there's not another system that works like the writing coach to help people write a book like that. And so, so what I'm doing with what I'm doing in the app world is what I do in the entertainment world. What I do in the entertainment world is I can take like everything that you got and I can figure out a unique way to present it.

So that's what I'm doing with the app world. So I don't, I don't actually look at myself as like, as like being part of the app world as much. I mean, I know, I know I have an app, but I look at the app like entertainment. Like I'm looking at Magic Book of Fire and I'm saying, what can I do to make that unique? Rather than how can I make the best app in the world? I'm trying to think, how can I make an app that, you know, that really gets the job done and appeals to this particular type of person, which is me who wants to write a book in a smart way.

And, you know, so, I don't know. But as I describe it, because I'm, you know, pretty versed, I guess, in just like the business side, as I describe it, I know I'm describing the things that app developers think about, like they think about who their customer, you know, who their primary customers, who their avatar is, et cetera, et cetera. But that's also what you do in entertainment. So it's very similar. And so I think that I, at least the one distinction in my head is that most app developers aren't optimizing for how entertaining their app is.

And maybe that's not something that you were trying to get at, but that jumped out at me. Do you think there is any merit in doing that? Well, well, yeah, I mean, the app should feel fun to use. Like, it's, it's a difference between, it's a difference between having a controller for your, your system and having a custom controller. Like, it's more fun when you have something that, like, appeals to you. And if you can make something that's more appealing, that does, like, if you have an app that is that does two apps do the same thing, but one is just more fun to use, you're going to use the one that is more fun.

Totally. Yep. And I think, so we've discussed pivoting from entertainment to tech. I'm, I'm actually also curious about the other way, like pivoting from tech to entertainment. Right. So let's say, you know, you have a listener that's, that has some cool ideas about, I don't know, screenplays or stories or what have you. What would be some of the first steps that this person can do to maybe, I don't even know, like, get a pilot, a TV pilot or, like, a movie.

Is that something that's even possible or is this all just really possible right now? I think it's really, I think it's very possible. But the, the, the, it's, it's very possible. It's actually really simple if, okay, good at what you're doing. Because if you're good at what you're doing, right now, you could put out an excellent piece of video. That is your idea. And if it is excellent, people will pass it around and see it. That's just how the internet works right now.

If you may ask up, if you make something that people really enjoy. But the hard part is make that thing that people really enjoy. That's our part. So, so I think that it's pretty easy to like make, it's pretty easy to make things that people enjoy if you're a certain person. And if you can, or if you can learn how to do that. But I think the avenue is pretty easy right now. Like I, I recently just put up like some simple videos of just me telling stories and like got hundreds of thousands of views just because I knew that it was like a simple, you know, way to tell a good idea or, or tell a good story to people.

And I just made a video because I know that I'm good at telling stories. And so I made a video that exploits that. That's really cool. Yeah, I'm excited to see those. I'll be doing that as soon as we're done talking here. But so is the media important? Like does it have to be a video or can you just write, you know, a text or like a screenplay or does it not really matter? Well, it matters because I think that the, I think that, so I, I came from a background of like before I ever sold a TV show. I never sold a TV show before, but how I sold my very first TV show was I produced something.

And I made sure it looked like a real show, because when I showed it to people and was like, I produced this, they had no question in their mind whether or not it was a real show. And so, and that's, I know that sounds really simple, but often people will show you things and say, Hey, look at my movie idea. And it doesn't look like a real movie, right? And so if it doesn't look like a real movie and you're trying to sell it to somebody and they look at your thing and they're like, this person does not know how to make a real movie.

Why would I give them money? And that was the, that was the thing that got me over the line was when I showed them something, it looked like the thing that I was trying to sell them. So it's really funny to me that you said and you almost assumed that that sounds so simple because that did not sound simple to me at all. Like, I don't even know where I would begin to make something that looks production grade. So how do you do that? It's not simple. It is not simple. It's not simple. Like that is, that is not a simple thing, but I'm just saying that like so many people present something to people and it doesn't look like that and they don't understand why people are not interested.

But I'm just saying this is why people are not interested because if it doesn't look like, like if you're telling somebody, I want to make a TV show and you show them a very crappy video. They're not going to take you seriously and they're going to think that you're wasting their time and they've wasted their time talking to you and et cetera, et cetera. So if you want to go from zero, if you have no connections and you want someone to believe in what you're doing, you have to show them something that looks like you know what you're doing.

And it sounds like the only way to do that then is to just, you know, do the hard hours, spend a lot of time studying, practicing, honing your craft. Probably no shortcuts to that. There's another way, have a bunch of money, you have a bunch of money, then you can hire somebody who knows how to make it look right. See, it's a solution to everything. Just have a bunch of money everybody. Well, but obviously the only problem with that is not very many people have like a bunch of cash lying around for their, you know, many hobbies, so to speak. So in that case, then in that case you do have to learn a lot. Yes.

Because, and I mean, I don't even know, like, I just think this is relevant right now, but I have this idea for a short film, right? And I just went about trying to make it. And it just looked exactly how you described like, you know, like it did not look good at all. It did not even feel like an indie movie, let alone an actual feature film. And so I just, I just gave up like I edited two minutes of it and then I was like, yeah, this is not going to work. And I told myself that I would come back to it, but it's been almost a month and I haven't. And I'm probably not going to.

What advice do you have for me, right? Because I don't want to give up. How do I break this, you know, little mold I find myself in. Well, I mean, if you don't want to give up, don't give up. Do you talk what? But it won't look production great. So what's the solution to that is, is. Oh, it's really simple. Okay. Do you play the piano? No. Okay. So if you sat down and played the piano, would you expect to be good on the first day? No. Okay, so you just keep practicing right. Same with video. The end.

I can show you. So I, one of the things I love to do is make music videos. I can show you the first music video I ever uploaded online and the most recent music video and they look totally different because I just kept making them. And the first one is pretty crappy. Interesting. So then, and I know I've experienced this with other things, right? So for instance, exactly what you said, right? So my first podcast and I'm on episode 89 right now, that will go out later today, actually.

Yeah, they look completely different, right? And I can tell you, like, right, I can pinpoint at which point stuff started to change where it started getting better. What does that arc look like in terms of like the movie making world? Like, are there certain skills or certain edit types or certain inspirations, or is it all just actually completely organic? I think that there is an arc that I found to be true. It's in the arc where they talk about like confidence and where like you start out, you don't know what you know, and then the lot of confidence, then you're in a pit of despair. And that's, that's, that's true. That seems true for everything for me.

And so I feel like that's what, that's what happens. Like, you're going to start, you're going to start and you're going to hate what you're doing. And then suddenly you're going to think you're amazing. And then you're going to be like, Oh my gosh, I know nothing. And finally, you'll have real skill. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I find that in the forecasting. I feel like I'm right after the, I think it's called the peak of fake confidence or something like that.

Yeah, I think I've just fallen off over there. And now I'm looking at the huge mountain in front of me. So, hopefully, yeah, I'll get there with the, you know, movie making stuff as well. Um, yeah. And like you said, I think it's just about getting all of your crappy attempts out of the way so that you can eventually get to the good stuff. Right. And I think that just applies to life in general. Yes. One thing that I did, which is very helpful sometimes is I would enter a bunch of video contests back in the day.

Because it just gives you an arbitrary deadline. And then you can make something that's good or bad for them and you don't really care that much. And it's kind of like nice to have that constraint. And some of them have prizes too. So if you, you could get lucky. Actually, I knew a couple of guys. Actually, no, not a couple of guys and very specific people. Okay. It was, um, Aziz Ansari, Jason Wollner, Jason Wollner, and somebody else.

Or, or, or in Brimner. Okay. Or in Brimner. Maybe. Definitely. Okay. But anyway, what these guys did was we very first started out. They just entered a bunch of video contests. And they were doing funny videos for the video contest. And then they won one money. They won trips. They, like, on the process of them learning. They made like all this extra money with video contests, which is, I think is awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. I love Aziz Ansari. He's so great. Um, especially like his work on Parks and Rec. Um, I think that's his most famous work anyway.

I guess. And it's funny how you were just able to write a lot of these names. I guess I'm curious what are some of the, you know, most biggest celebrities or stars that you've gotten to work with, or even have interacted with. Um, I will tell you a fun story that is, yeah, because I'm not going to sit here and just rattle off every person that I know, but, but I will tell you a fun story, which is recent, which is. So, um, I directed a movie starring Charlie Murphy that never came out. Eddie Murphy's brother. Oh, yeah. And then when Eddie Murphy had his most recent documentary on Netflix.

I was like, oh, I have all this footage of his brother, Charlie Murphy. I want to get it to Eddie Murphy. And then I reached out to the absolute most famous person that I know that I can text. And that was Eric Andre. Do you know what Eric Andre is? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Eric Andre. He and I were like comedians together. That's all. It's not a real deal. We just like, we started out together and he became super famous and I'm not. Anyway, so.

So then I was texting him. I was texting him and I was like, Hey, can you get this to Eddie Murphy? And he's like, I have no idea how to get to Eddie Murphy. So it's like, I feel like it's kind of funny because even like at his level, like he's like, I have no idea. Like, what are you talking about? And, and, and do you think AI slash tech is starting to seep into Hollywood as well or like, you know, not really so far? Definitely.

Without a doubt, even with all of the writers strikes and such because from the outside, I was thinking that all of this will make sure that there's no AI written shows and such and writers will be protected and all of that. But is that just, you know, not? I have no idea. I don't. I do not know. But I just, I know that AI is here and, and people in Hollywood or Hollywood or not idiots. So they're not going to try and completely ignore it because that would be crazy.

That's fair. But yeah, I mean, obviously this is the first time I'm getting to talk to anybody that's, you know, kind of in that space. So obviously, yeah, I really appreciate you sharing that. For a last segment here, I don't want to ask you about Supreme Robot. What is the moon shot? Like, what is the, where are you planning on taking it next? What's the plan for the future? I only want to make things that are really, really enjoyable or useful and have a positive social impact, whether it's tech or media.

So that's the moon shot is what I'm doing is just like, I want to make things that are either like the most fun that they can possibly be like high score gamer cage or that are super useful, like making the educational tool for people who are neurodivergent and including like magic book of fire. And I want them all to have like just a positive social impact because that is not that hard to do as long as you just kind of like keep that in mind.

So that's it. That is a Supreme Robot. I want to make awesome stuff. I don't want to want it to be good for people. That's really cool. And I know that's, you know, always look at as a cliche, but it's, I definitely see the value in that as, and, you know, it's also something that I believe in personally. So yeah, no, that's really cool to have you say that. And any upcoming projects that you can probably talk about, you know, anything in the works, maybe that that you're looking forward to this year.

I think I just told you like the major ones like I was like, high score gamer cage is coming up. We're going to do in February. We're doing like a giant competition. I thought that was already live as we were speaking. No, it is. It is live. But then so what we do is like every time I release a new game. We have it's usually with a brand. And so we're going to do one of those releases in February. And so there'll be a big new game. Awesome. Yeah, I'm actually excited to check out so much stuff that you mentioned here for any listener that wants to reach out out, you know, wants to get in touch with you.

What would be the best place for them to find you? Just go to supreme robot.com and there's a chat bot. You can ask it questions or you can tell you want to contact me and it'll ask you for your email. And then it'll affect me. Awesome. Well, Victor, thank you so much for taking the time here today. I've had such a great time interacting with you picking your brain and, you know, just for complete honesty purposes. This is like way out of the spaces that I normally operate in and the type of conversations I have. So I especially enjoyed this so much.

And I just wanted to say thank you for being so open and transparent and, you know, talking about your world in a way that's super accessible to even somebody that's not in it. So yeah, I really, I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. I had a great time. All right, that princess to the end of that episode with Victor. I hope you took away as much as I did. And I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. If you would like to support me, the easiest way to do that is by subscribing on YouTube and leaving me up to a five star 81 spotify or any of your favorite podcast apps.

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