How To Become A Professional Astrologer & Spiritual Scientist - w/ Poonam

So you are an astrologer. Is that like a madeup thing? Is that even real? Tanakan Dharma tells you go do your research, do your experiments, learn, understand, respect the foundation but also have your own experiences and evolve as a soul. I'm Nam Pande. This is the Ready Set Do podcast and in this episode my guest is Punam Duta. Pulam is a professional astrologer and spiritual scientist with deep expertise in the Vedas, Sanatan Dharma and astrology as it pertains to Hinduism. In this multifaceted and honestly super raw discussion, I really challenged her to speak to why she thinks astrology is a science almost in a way that made me want to change my own mind but didn't quite which we can get to later. But more interestingly, we

to later. But more interestingly, we also discussed common myths about Hinduism such as the cast system and how it came to be. We contrasted astrology as its practice in the east versus the west and the science behind birth charts. I say signs with invisible air holes. My favorite part was probably when Punam explained the reality behind the forever popular daily astrology sun sign predictions that we have in newspapers, magazines and whatnot. So make sure that you don't miss out on that. that. What they're going to do to you to evolve you as a soul, as a person, how much you're going to ascend in this particular book is all written in your culture. culture. The real problem that I face is wrapping my head around how and astrology stuff is intertwined with Hinduism. There's a

is intertwined with Hinduism. There's a continuous moment which is happening in the cosm course. This has an impact on your being, on your personality, on your movements, what is coming next and all of that is researched and studied in astro project in keeping with our theme of learning from high agency individuals who are just a few steps ahead. My goal with this episode is to spotlight what a career in astrology entails and helping myself and thereby my listeners discover the truth behind some common misconceptions about Hinduism. Subscribe on YouTube and any of your favorite podcast apps for weekly episodes and daily clips from those episodes on YouTube and Instagram. And now without any further ado, here's Una.

any further ado, here's Una. Welcome to the only podcast in the world featuring stories of high agency individuals who are just a few steps ahead of us. Punam, welcome. Thank you so much, Nam. So excited to deep dive into the realm of spirituality, astrology and so much more and you know learn from you and your experiences. Before we get the ball rolling, I want to give you the floor to just kind of share a brief snapshot of you know your career right who you are, what you do and how it pertains to the realm of a spiritual scientist which I think is something that you associate yourself with. So just for our listeners, do you mind painting a picture just for context around a little bit of what it is that you do?

bit of what it is that you do? Right. I really appreciate you inviting me for this podcast. So what I usually do is I'm a um I'm an astrologer by profession. Um I've been exploring about natan dharma about about spirituality about the different philosophies um you know from last 15 years and for that I've been traveling all over the world. Um I write a lot of travel blogs.

world. Um I write a lot of travel blogs. I write a lot about spirituality and offly I my my love uh for Kashmir shadism has grown. So I'm doing extensive research on Kashmir shadism. Um also have been into tantra have been practicing tantra the have been exploring the left part of tantra and the right part of tantra as well when teaching people. So I'm a teacher basically I teach about spati I teach people about meditation um the core of sanatan dharma and besides that I'm also like somebody who deals with energy so not just the astrology which revolves around planets but also the astrology which involves a lot of energy dating so I do all of that fascinating yeah that that's super fascinating and yeah I really appreciate the context that you shared there because already I can think of a few different uh you know aspects of that

different uh you know aspects of that that I would like to double double click. The first being um and I'm sure you get this a lot right? So as as people that are educated, as people that you know are you know from science like you know like from the world of science um I'm sure you must have so many people come up to you and be like hey so you are an astrologer is that like a madeup thing is is you know is that even real so like I'm just curious to understand how do you personally you know kind of talk about astrology to a skeptic right?

talk about astrology to a skeptic right? So I myself I I wouldn't say I'm a skeptic. I am more like and like we'll get to where I stand, right? So we don't I don't need to, you know, talk your head off about that just for now. But I'm saying for all of our listeners that are currently complete skeptics around any of this. They just say, "Oh, this is there's no way this is real, right? This is just completely made up." What would you say to these people about astrology that maybe it would make sense for them to ponder about at least? First and foremost we need to understand what is astrology. Okay. Um it comes from betas.

astrology. Okay. Um it comes from betas. Um earlier astrology was used for a couple of things like one was the decision that the kings used to take for the kingdom right based on the peace based on the auspiciousness and the inospiciousness of a particular planetary position that suited their decision to rule or maybe to attack a leading kingdom. Okay. Then they of course earlier we did not have so much of technology so they used to use the nakshhatras or the stars or the constellation to understand the direction of the ships. Okay. So that's where the astrological part came up with and of course our veas revolves around a lot of calculations. There's a lot of science in our veas. There's a lot of um information that revolves around the various aspects of the planets.

the various aspects of the planets. Okay. In our Vedas too and based on that the astrology popped up. It it was basically a tool which was used for decision making which was used to understand the planetary combination versus the impact on your brain that these planetary positions would be doing when when you when you're taking birth or the purpose of your life. Okay, that was the whole idea of astrology.

was the whole idea of astrology. Secondly, Hinduism sanatan dharma revolves around karma. It revolves around reincarnation also. Astrology study of the planetary positions or the combination will exactly tell you what your karma is all about. What you are born with, what are your functions, what are what exactly is the purpose of your soul and how you going to use your blessings in this birth to serve a particular purpose. So we are all born with this particular purpose. We now of course I'm not Osho and I would not speak from Osho's language that of course you have to find that purpose and you have to live that purpose definitely that is true but then apart from that you also have uh some purposes which are already given in your chart based on your pra karma based on the karma which you have already probably you've already acquired from

probably you've already acquired from your previous birth okay that plus the present life responsibilities and duties that you got to serve and learn in this birth is all written in your astrological chart. Secondly, how intelligent you are, how much wisdom you're going to gain in this birth through your experiences plus what they're going to do to you to evolve you as your soul as as a soul as a person.

as your soul as as a soul as a person. Um how much you're going to ascend in this particular birth is all written in your astrological chart. A lot of people believe that astrology is just about materialism. It's just about career and um like how astrology can be used just for the purpose of the materialistic growth but that's not how it is. Astrology helps you in balance. It helps you in balancing and understanding and recognizing your potential so that a particular problematic area of your life can be encountered with proper research in astrology. you know if your your chart says it all your chart has the solution to all your problems. So that is what is astrology. So for a person who who comes to me usually of course I meet a lot of skeptic a lot of people

meet a lot of skeptic a lot of people who don't believe in astrology uh they come with a with with an understanding that astrology is just about predictions but it's not just about predictions. Astrology is a combination of being guided towards a particular goal and like if you are in a problem it is a problem solver. It kind of like recognizes your potential. It kind of tells you exactly where you stand today and how you can work on yourself to reach a particular situation or a particular goal. That is what is astrology. Fascinating. So from that uh naturally the question arises right that say according according to what you said that uh a person's birth chart kind of determines their potential what they're going to end up doing etc. So now on the

going to end up doing etc. So now on the flip side of that would that mean that a person's potential is limited by virtue of their birth chart also? So like they cannot punch above a certain weight there's only so much that they can do and they're kind of just limited because of their birth chart. Is that something that's accurate or can you go against that and kind of you know so make your own destiny so to speak? You're born with certain elements.

You're born with certain elements. You're born with certain potential. Okay. You worked upon yourself maybe into your previous birth. All that can be studied in your chart. Okay. That doesn't mean that you don't have the potential to expand. Expansion of brain of course works with it. It it kind of like comes with spirituality. comes with a lot of your hard work. It comes with your personality development that again your chart definitely indicates so in this birth for example you're supposed to work on empathy. I'm just giving an example. Okay, if you're supposed to work on empathy, you're supposed to work on your patience. That is where the chart will take you or your birth chart will you can definitely

your birth chart will you can definitely work on it. Of course, there are different ways that you can expand or you can work upon your potential. But your birth chart is the beginning. It it is kind of an indication or it will indicate where to start and how you can work upon yourself. Basically that is how the birth chart works. It tells you exactly the karmas that you have uh probably the things that you've already worked on in your previous birth and how you can use that karma in this birth to to make it better for yourself you know or grow in that climate cycle to evolve as a as a spirit to to evolve as a soul to ascend as a human being. So this is what astrology does. Yeah.

what astrology does. Yeah. Got it. That's super helpful. Yeah. that that definitely addresses that question that I had. Um, next up I want to talk to you about so you had mentioned that obviously you've been doing this for a while. You're very well traveled, right? So I want to get your perspective on a couple things. Firstly, just kind of the difference between how astrology is practiced in the east, so mostly India versus the west. So do have you noticed any like differences between how these different cultures tend to approach astrology or kind of you know uh work with that because obviously in our case I know that it's very deeply rooted or intertwined with sanatan dharma or Hinduism right but that's not the case in the west obviously because here it's just like it's looked at as more kind of

just like it's looked at as more kind of like a pagan like you know type of type of situation so I'm curious for your perspective on how you would contrast ask how astrology is is practiced in the west versus the east. Uh so okay u the basic difference between the vic astrology and the western astrology is that um the western astrology is very straightforward. It's just like they don't go with too many conjunctions or too many transitions. We as in Vic astrology we kind of like have an amalgamation of different planetary combinations, conjunctions, transitions. We speak about ashhatras. We speak about the vidanta or we speak about the vic style of vitis the auspiciousness and inospiciousness of different planets or uh we speak about a lot of other things

uh we speak about a lot of other things as well. like now the westerners are getting a lot attracted to the vic astrology to the vic signs is what I feel uh now veas in in va vic astrology of course there are certain planets like we don't speak about uranus we don't speak about neptune we don't speak about pluto all these planets but the westerns have picked up these planets and they have also studied these planets and they kind of like uh are speaking about influence again on the human brain based on these planets planets. Now the Vic astrology has also started you know implementing these planets in a very different way but then again because we're deeply rooted and we function around multiple you know multiple ways or like for example your chart your lagna chart is

example your chart your lagna chart is divided into so many parts. It can be divided. It is divided into 108 parts. For example, D60. D60 looks into your past life, your immediate past life. Your D9 looks into your divine, you're a masculine. So, it will look into your um divine feminine side of you. Okay. which western astrology face feels to look into. You know, we can look into the minutest details of your chart of your birth chart and can come to a conclusion to an analysis uh to a calculation which is way beyond um I think the western understanding of astrology.

understanding of astrology. Absolutely. Yeah. 100%. So yeah, what I was saying was um can you walk me through so I understand I'm with you around how when the moment I was born whatever the planetary positions were that helps me come up with my birth chart that determines what's my potential or at least you know I can look look at that as like a map. What I'm curious about knowing now next is you know how you have like these daily predictions or these daily apps that have your uh prediction for the day right like for each sun sign they have like a today such and such thing will happen or this month be wary of water I don't know right I'm just making things up so is there any truth to that and if

up so is there any truth to that and if so how does that whole thing work like how does it how is it able to tell me that when I turn 28 or whatever this is what's going to happen and like what's kind of the basis behind that if that question makes sense even so uh coming back to the I think you're speaking about the western astrology over here so western astrology devolves around the sun um the personality basically but in Vic astrology we we try to understand the moon chart okay moon chart in the sense that your mind your emotions your your connectivity because we emphasize on the mind the manifestation that your thought pattern can give and the mental state or the emotions that will develop your

emotions that will develop your personality. So we we basically focus more more on the moon chart. Okay. The moon basically that is why you seen that you know you're asked what is your moon sign? What is your lagna? Okay. Um again in western astrology if we talk about so based on the personality you can give a certain idea that this is something that is going to happen on this particular day again that is also based on the py the nakshhatra of that particular day or maybe the the transition which is happening okay and how it can influence your personality but again they do not define the mental state a lot of people I've seen with these predictions they kind of like play with the psychology.

kind of like play with the psychology. They're not very apt with the predictions. It's more to do with, you know, with the psychology of a person rather than like giving a prediction prediction. Um, astrology has to be researched. It has to be analyzed. It has to be uh it has to be understood very deeply. You can't make predictions just by looking at a particular sign or a particular personality and give predictions. Of course there have there are different uh platforms um which definitely gives give this kind of you know idea just to play with the mind so that you get attracted towards astrology and then you know you start believing you know on it because you know they'll they'll give you some um good predictions about you and then you feel good about it and then you start

good about it and then you start believing in it. So this is this is just to play with the mind but that doesn't mean that there there aren't astrologers who are giving accurate predictions based on the nakshhatras they definitely do but again these astrologers they are very uh very deep into astrology and they kind of like not they just don't give predictions based on the personality but they give predictions based on the mood they give predictions based on the transition conion and the nakshhatra for the day.

nakshhatra for the day. Awesome. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, and then from there, do you mind telling me a little bit about how like just the connection between Hinduism and like the astrology that comes from it? So, look, I'll be very honest and that's what I was trying to share earlier in the beginning. So I've been trying to you know return quote unquote to some of more of my Hindu roots and I you know I've been doing like a decent job or whatever but the real problem that I face is just kind of wrapping my head around how just how deeply all of this like gra and astrology stuff is intertwined with Hinduism. So if you can help me understand kind of where one ends and the other begins you know or maybe if if that even happens I don't know but that would actually be really

know but that would actually be really helpful because that's like a big confusion that I've always had. Astrology is very very deep. Nam man. Now astrology has different aspects to it like I've explained you know there are different um uh you know your your lap chart or the the basic important the first chart the birth chart of yours is divided into sections and each section has a significance. Now again coming back to your question uh if we speak about Hinduism if we speak about zonat and dharma then astrology was widely used by the kings to make decisions regarding that okay they used to always have that one particular pandet or scholar telling them to do this puja on this particular day um looking at the ospaciousness and auspiciousness of the star for that particular you know yeah so there were plenty of

you know yeah so there were plenty of reasons why astrology was used. Astrology was not just used for decision making but it was also to tell um you know uh or predict basically when the enemies would attack them or um to make a predictions with regards to the the opponent. Uh secondly again because our uh culture is extremely agricultured right because we our main profession was agriculture again uh to make predictions with regards to the crops. Um again imports and exports was something that we did uh extensively in the past. So that is again you know something that uh astrology helped them with because uh they could sense the direction of the ship uh using the stars or the nakshhatras uh which eventually became a very very important part of vic astrology. So again coming back to the

astrology. So again coming back to the sanatan dharma each and every um nakshatra has a story rel which which is written in the purans which is written in our um you know different scriptures. Every rashi has a story, has a connection, has an understanding, has a particular deity, has a particular manifest state of the Brahman of the cosmos. Okay? Which explains and tells you about your characteristics, about your mental state, about how you would be planning your life in this bird. So all of that is already mentioned in our scriptures. You know, very deep.

scriptures. You know, very deep. Astrology is something that you have to keep reading about. You have to keep learning. You have to keep educating yourself because there's always a new thing that you you understand. Um in astrology this combination this is what is it is going to give you this combination and this is what is going to happen next. So a lot of things of course there's a continuous moment which is happening in the cross course right there's a continuous moment and this continuous moment has an impact on your brain on your personality on your movements and and what is coming next and all of that is researched and studied in astrology. So all of that because our again our rishimiz were scientists they were researchers they they were very deep into the cosmic study. They were very deep into the

study. They were very deep into the understanding of this one ultimate truth Brahman. And from there um that research on the different manifestations came up and to make it easier for us you know they came up with the anologies they came up with their researches that became astrology for us you know this is how it comes from that's very cool yeah and definitely what I'm hearing is that it's just so rich right it's just so rich of information that as you said yeah it can take somebody a whole lifetime to even start to understand you know just the extent of what's going on um from there for so a lot of my audience is just people in the west right so be it Indians that immigrated to America or Americans themselves right and one of the questions that I get asked often is

asked often is how would you describe Hinduism or sanatan dharma for a person there so and I have my version right which we don't need to get into but I'm curious and This has nothing to do with astrology, right? I'm just referring to pure Hinduism or pure sanatan dharma. But my question to you is how would you in a nutshell describe the true essence of sanatan dharma to a person that will just say is ignorant or doesn't know much about it or just hasn't been exposed to the ideas of sanatan dharma.

exposed to the ideas of sanatan dharma. Um yeah very interesting question. So first we need to understand what is dharma for that right? We need to understand what exactly we mean by you know by spirituality. We are we are not a religion. We basically religion is a very small part of sanatan dharma. Okay. Very small part of sanatan dharma. Of course we have a foundation. We have scriptures. We have that dharmic aspect which teaches a service towards the social cause for example or the understanding of one Brahman manifesting into multiple beauties. All of that is there in sonatan dharma but the main criteria to understand sonatan dharma is that our soul is here to evolve. A lot of people are of that belief system that we are here to face punishment which comes from the Abrahamic religion

comes from the Abrahamic religion religion uh that we are here to face the karma and it's all about punishments and it is all about hell and heaven that we have to go through and etc etc but dharma focuses on the evolution of the soul. We here for our learnings. We are here for our responsibilities and duties. We are here to believe that we're part of the cosmos because this cosmos concept concept is also divided into multiple philosophies in sanata dharma like the sanka philosophy for example the adanta then we have the kashmir shabs and etc etc there lot of other philosophies um the third thing is that we a lot of people have this belief system that's dharma it's about castism it's about the

dharma it's about castism it's about the world system it's about a division or bifocation of humans. But again people fail to understand sanatan dharma because again sanatan dharma was based on dharma. It was based on the responsibilities and the duties of being a human being and how you can implement those you know responsibilities and duties for the best interest of the society that was a part of sanata dharma. So that's where the VA system has come up with like everybody based on the profession was given given a VA just because you know u the kings in those days did not want any confusions with the responsibilities with the duties and a lot of people have made up stories around the VA system and castism and now we see a lot of mess around it and uh again last but not the least again

again last but not the least again coming back to uh the main core of sanatan dharma is to understand your karma is to understand um and live that karma is to do and work like you have to work towards the social causes causes evolve as a soul um because again sanatan dharma is science sanatan dharma is not just any religion it revolves around u spirituality it revolves around the the concept concept Um and of course every aspect of the spirituality has been explained with um with science. If you're following a certain culture in sanata and dharma, it is it comes with science. Okay. There were reasons why certain rituals were followed or they still followed today.

followed or they still followed today. And of course um the most beautiful part of sanatan dharma is that it has evolved. It has changed over the yogas. There is though um like we say you know we of course have our scriptures that we feel are our foundation. These scriptures are important for our dharma but these apart from these scriptures also with the evolution we have changed a few things of our belief system. It is not something which is which which is not something which is which is stagnant like there are certain Abrahamic religions again who abide by a certain belief system they have a certain faith which they don't want to uh uh you know they don't want to do research on they don't want to go over

research on they don't want to go over it or they don't want to change anything about it but sanatan dharma allows you to do it sanatan dharma tells you go do your research do your experiments Learn, understand, of course, respect the foundation but also have your own experiences and evolve as a soul. That is the major difference and that is why Dharma is so beautiful. Wow, that's that's such a well elucidated description around that.

elucidated description around that. Yeah, that definitely puts things into perspective for me as well. And yeah, I feel more better equipped now to answer this question when I'm asked here in America when somebody's like, "Hey, what's what's what's Hinduism about?" you know, tell us. Um, so, and I I love that you brought up the cast system, right? Because I think it's the for some nefarious people that are just kind of almost um just inherently looking to attack the religion, this beautiful religion of ours, right? Um, I think again like I'm not I'm no expert in this field. I actually know nothing about this. But yeah, I am aware around what you said that it started with people getting responsibilities, right? Like if you're making bricks then you know it's

you're making bricks then you know it's your vera is whatever the vera is of people that make bricks and vera is just the Hindi word for cast for our for our listeners. So what I'm trying to understand is do you know how it started there and then became just such a mess where it's now sometimes unfortunately right used to divide people it's it's used to put people down right and like just bad and evil practices that came out of it. So where did we lose our way and how did we get to where we are at currently? currently? So how did we lose it? It was both because you know there's a lot of confusion in the minds of people today.

confusion in the minds of people today. I think a lot of people have not done their due religions. They don't study about you know sat and dharma and the scriptures and they have built assumptions around it. Um so I I really would not be able to say from where it started but definitely it did start at one point of time where the understanding got a little distorted around the VA system.

around the VA system. Um basically like I've explained uh VA system was was developed or was introduced in the society to bring discipline. It was never meant for bifocating people. It was just meant to bring the discipline in the society so that you know people certain people are allotted a certain responsibility duty so that they can protect dharma properly towards the society towards their particular kingdom. Okay. Um the the mess is that you know a lot of people have carried the castism or the VA system from their surnames and kotras and um uh you know from probably from their fathers and forefathers. That is where the confusion has happened. Of course, I don't want to break the gautra concept over here. But then yes, um the majority of people today like for example um if you see a Brahman today,

example um if you see a Brahman today, okay, Brahman was meant to learn the Brahma knowledge, the knowledge that the one can acquire from the cosmos. Okay, a person who was a Brahman. Basically, a Brahman was a person who could meditate, who could worship, who had the ability to evolve as a soul and to understand the knowledge and information that he received from the Brahma. Okay, that made him a Brahman. Today, if you look at it and you know people are just sticking to their surnames and that's how they believe that they are Brahmans but by their profession they might not be Brahmans.

profession they might not be Brahmans. They might be just rash, they might be some business people or they might be just just working in some software company etc etc they do not know ABC about rituals but then by the they call themselves Brahmans but then that is not how the VA system was built back then VA system was completely based on your profession it was completely based on the dharma the responsibility that you were carrying like for example I'm born in a chhatria family today but if I'm doing astrology which is again a uh the job of a brahid Okay. Uh if I'm doing puja rituals for example, I'm doing uh you know if I'm reading scriptures and I'm teaching people so I'm doing the job of a Brahman

people so I'm doing the job of a Brahman that becomes my system or that becomes my my actual uh you know cast of being a Brahman by my profession. Okay. It's not what I'm carrying for my father. father. Uh so that is where I think the confusion lies. you know, people don't have an understanding. That makes sense. Yeah. And also around what you mentioned that you've been doing this for so long, I'm actually really curious if you have any, I don't know, notable anecdotes around maybe some, you know, like people that you worked with, maybe something that you saw in their charts and you told them about and then something happened. So I'm just really looking for any like juicy gossip or any stories that you have seen personally or have heard of from like the realm of astrology around

from like the realm of astrology around maybe you know like predictions and people realizing their potential whatever that might look like just because I think that would be a very interesting case study for our listeners to just listen to and just be like oh wow that's kind of cool. Yeah I had no idea that could happen. So do you have any stories like that by chance?

any stories like that by chance? Um definitely yeah we I had made a couple of predictions of course for my clients who have come out to be true but then again let me explain this one thing to you that um again uh astrology is very deep. Okay again again coming to that same point like astrology is extremely deep right? There can be analysis based on a particular um you know conjunction or particular um you know analysis or or uh a combination of planets okay which might differ from person to person again like how you make your predictions depends what you analyze out of it depends it comes with a lot of research it not just is about analysis it also comes from your intuition it also comes a lot with your sadna. Um to give you a little bit of

sadna. Um to give you a little bit of gossip of course I did make a lot of predictions about this year u especially this year being the year of Mars. I did have this prediction that it's going to be a little chaotic for India especially with all these calmies and the accidents that have just recently occurred. I feel extremely sorry about it but then I was aware and also when uh Saturn was in being rashi was in Pisces I knew that this is the end of one huge karmic cycle and this this year is set to be the year of Krishna the year of dharma also at the same time because u mangal again is a warrior planet kind of like um kind of

a warrior planet kind of like um kind of indicates the over energy over over um heated energy of priti So I was aware of these calamities that were supposed to happen um in this year including the accident though I do not come out very publicly and speak about it because yeah it I kind of like don't come out very publicly and speak about these aspects because you know you know it kind of like has a bad impact on people as well because you know they get pace with the psychology of humans and they become lot negative about um all these things and as it is you know a lot of people speak about um all these things which I really don't go ahead with because again like

don't go ahead with because again like why to make people negative as it is people have their own respective problems in life so um this is this is something which um um I think I have I had written on X Twitter then there have been predictions with regards to career because a lot of people come to me when will I get a job uh a lot of people come to asking when will I get married. So predicting the yogas for example you know all these things yeah all these things you you do make predictions um of an astrology. Got it. Makes sense. And what are some of like just some things around sanatan dharma that you would say are uh pretty straightforward or doable in one's daily

straightforward or doable in one's daily life right? Like what are some practices that one can go about doing that they would not have to change a huge deal of their behaviors or personalities to do but that would give them hopefully good results when it comes to sanatan dharma. Oh okay. Now now your question is a little complicated. Sanatan dharma again emphasizes on changing your personality. It's it's emphasizing on evolution. It evol it wants you to evolve as a soul. It wants you to learn things you know from your karma from um from from whatever you do as a human being. But then there are certain practices of course in satan dharma that uh helps you in growing as a human versus the social service. Um

human versus the social service. Um being a good good human being with a good intention is very important and uh sanatan dharma believes in that. It believes in good intention. It believes in pure purity. It believes in um it believes that you know whatever little rituals that you do on a regular basis it should be done with a pure heart. Okay, that is one thing. Then practicing some um good things like spending some time with nature because again sanatan dharma emphasizes on nature. We were the hardcore worshippers of nature. We used to believe a lot on the five elements.

to believe a lot on the five elements. We still worship nature. But I think the present humans, the human beings, they have lost that touch, you know, they don't want to be in nature and they all the time chasing materialism. So um again coming back to that you know uh praying the nature, praying and being in nature definitely has a very good impact on the soul, mind and body. That is something that you can practice. Uh the third thing is spending some time with your divine connection. Okay, you don't have to sit down and chant munchas or you don't have to do your art or you know your akabati on a regular basis.

know your akabati on a regular basis. It's just that you can sit down at one place meditate upon your dity also meditate upon your manifestation and that in itself is good enough. Then being a good human being of course is very important. Okay. how you how your conductors towards other human beings, how you you know how you can respect others, you know, how you can be positive in your life. Um all that is a part of tanatan dharma again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. um learning so much have taken so much away already from this conversation and yeah just so for you know the last question before I let you go here if you and I asked this this is a standard question on the podcast now but if you had the platform to share

now but if you had the platform to share one thing with the entire world what would that be things that we need to explore um and understand about sanatan dharma astrology is one side and astrology and tantra go hand in hand by the way you know there's a lot of um um there's a lot of interconnection between the Um what I need to tell people is you come and speak and understand what you what what astrology means. You must understand what tancha is all about before coming to any sort of assumptions or conclusion about the two subjects because the both these subjects are very extensive. They are very vast and they need to be understood really really uh deeply. Okay. A lot of people make assumptions based on one or two wrong

assumptions based on one or two wrong predictions that they have probably had in their life and they stop you know believing on it but it's not just about the a predictive tool. It's it's it's more of a guiding tool and tantra is about your spiritual evolution. It is not any aar. So again you know there are lots of myths and there are a lot of misconceptions misconceptions which we need to you know work on. we need to speak to people about and that that the lack of awareness is there amongst people. So yeah, this these kind of podcasts really helps. Definitely it does. Thank you so much.

does. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Yeah. No, and thank you for taking the time today. I've truly learned so much and I'm actually really excited for my entire audience. Some of whom I promise would have never even heard of some of the concepts, some of the topics that we covered here today. So yeah, I have no doubt in my mind that we will have at least a few dozen people, right, that will be exposed to these ideas for the first time. And I agree 100% around what you said about why this is so important, right? Because they don't have to believe in it as long as they now know that such a thing exists, right? This is the point of it.

exists, right? This is the point of it. As you so wonderfully said, it's about guiding, not predicting. And that's such a crucial difference right there that you've helped me at least me helped you know helped me realize among so many other things right just the idea of sanatan dharma being around evolution more than anything else of the soul that's just yeah such a powerful concept I've truly taken so much away and I can tell that all of your years of studying this obviously you know you you you know your stuff you know what you're talking about so really appreciate you taking the time and yeah we have to do one more of these uh sooner So, thank you so so much. That brings us to the end of that

much. That brings us to the end of that episode with Punam Data. I don't know if that any of that change your mind, but and maybe it didn't change my mind either, but at least it made me appreciate the perspective on what goes behind somebody that does practice astrology. And I think there's something to be said about that. If you would like to support me, the easiest way to do that is by subscribing on YouTube and leaving me up to a fivestar rating on Spotify or any of your favorite podcast apps. Something that goes a really long way for me is if you continue to share these episodes with those that continue to benefit from them. This can be via technology like just WhatsApp them the link or just tell them in person and verbally about how you found your new

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