How To Be A Spiritual Hindu Guru In The Digital Age (Chief Lineage Authority Of A 17,000 Years Old School Of Yoga POV) - w/ Guru Pashupati

at the age of 8 I started to have a spiritual awakening where the goddess Kali would come to me in the night and take me to smashan where I learned Aghora why should I need to do Puja to be close to God what is this other layer called spirituality where I need to be agnostic the self is right here I'm Naman Pandey and in this episode featured not expert is Guru Pashupati also known as Ashwin Guru Pashupati is the Parara Adhikari or the chief lineage authority of Trilok Akhada which is a school of Nath yoga established by none other than the father of yoga Shankar Nath over 177,000 years ago so what is the procedure to become a guru I've been teaching people for 15 years to be a guru I've been literally slapping them giving them black eyes when they don't get it what can I do starting today that will start bringing me closer to my

roots of Hinduism in addition to being a unique Time Capsule to ancient Hindu spiritual knowledge the guru is also trained and certified in many different types of martial arts making him a true Paragon of physical and spiritual discipline after that I met my Guru I started to train with him and he trained me really good in martial arts and then he left my teacher is to throw me in a jungle and say I'll see you after 4 or 5 days leaving home has gotten me closer to my religion than I was even when I was in India there are some criticisms about how Hinduism works one of the biggest ones of those is the caste system what's your take on that yoga's going around saying we are not a religion it's bull yoga is a religion where do you think it comes from from the Vedas and Shastras everything mentions yoga in keeping with

that theme of learning from somebody that's just two steps ahead of us instead of an expert my goal with this episode is to Spotlight Guru Pashupati's Endeavors to leverage the internet and its Network effects to break free from geography being a limiting factor to spreading his spiritual knowledge before we move on at the risk of stating the obvious when I say not expert I'm not referring to the guru's spiritual wisdom or knowledge I am specifically referring to his efforts to grow on social media platforms subscribe for new not experts from every field Ever every Wednesday on YouTube and Spotify and now my friends here's Guru Pashupati welcome to the Ready Set Do podcast where we learn from journeys of not experts who are just two steps ahead of us Guru Pashupati welcome yes Namaste Naman Namaste and so excited to delve

into all that you've been doing all of your you know origin story and all of the wisdom that you really bring to the table so I've been following your content online for a while now and yeah it's just uh incredible to be talking to you finally so to kick us off and for some of our audience that is isn't you know already well versed with you uh do you mind giving us just a really quick and dirty snapshot of your journey so far that has gotten you to where you are currently sure I mean uh I uh started my journey very early in my childhood maybe at the age of eight I started to have a spiritual awakening where uh the the goddess Kali would come to me uh at the night and she would knock my parents out and take me to smashan where I learned Aghora. This happened for four years and after that I met my

Guru uh wow and I happen to meet him because uh I was really looking for a a guru to teach me martial arts how to fight that kind of thing CU I had a lot of uh violence in my life and I I really wanted to know how to deal with it and uh he he just happened to come and one dramatic moment which was probably the low point of of my uh life at that point so then what happened is I started to train with him and a lot of magical things started happening and then he vanished just as soon as he came he trained me really good in martial arts and then he left and then I didn't know what to do uh but I started to become an entrepreneur I mean after all this experience I was not able to go to school anymore I thought right I'm just and sorry and how old were you around this time when you started I was 13 I was to wow I I I literally quit school

but I didn't I didn't quit school also because I used to go for the first period where they had the attendance and all that give my attendance and then vanish that's what I used to do most of the teachers didn't know me when I came for the exam and yeah so that that's how I I I got through school and college and I I never really attended classes and at some point um he came back when I was 18 this time I was already an entrepreneur and uh then and he told me that you got to undergo a lot of karma before you you become eligible to learn yoga and so I said okay and I I was already trying to teach yoga at that point because I had learned from every single person who was offering a course yeah the time there was no Sadhguru there was no Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and there was no Baba Ramdev nobody all these were

unknown names so we had Bihar School of yoga we had Krishnamurti we we had Osho and we had a few other such people at that time there was the philosophical Society they were writing about all the spiritual stuff it's a mystery for us right I didn't even know all these things I didn't know my religion was so great I have no idea because in school they didn't allow us to have any kind of religious education they only taught us uh I mean I slipped into the catechism class and I was asking them questions and then they threw me out of there so uh I I was really looking for some spiritual knowledge to know like like what's my purpose here what's my place you know everyone got busy making a living and I didn't want to do that I thought those like Maslow made a pyramid of needs and he said there are basic needs

like food shelter air water sex but I said I don't need any of those first because uh there are many bad ways to get them and I don't want to get them in any bad way I'd already experienced some bad ways to get uh sustenance by by being an entrepreneur and i' realized uh how much we have to compromise on our models if we want to make a lot of money so I I thought I want to make it without compromising of my models I want to learn something you know so that was my dream was set up something like Ricardo semler has set up which I think is a spiritual organization the largest company in Brazil is called Semco it's set up by a guy called Ricardo semler he was my hero I wanted to be like him like have people work treat them as responsible treat them ethically make sure that everybody is a tribe and everybody is winning when

uh the owner wins so that's what I wanted to do then um Karma hit and then I I got uh I had to pay for some sins of my past birth so I got married later I found out from my guru's Guru he told me about my past births and I was able to see it when when he he just touched me here and I I was able to see all my past births so then I realized oh why did I get married and I I I kind of understood it in perspective but even right then I knew this is some Bad Karma and I just have to go through with it and there just a lot of Bad Karma so there was a lot a lot a lot of Bad Karma and I kept going through it uh it spoiled my reputation became a drunkard uh and uh got very sick and was abandoned by my family including my parents because they didn't want to give me even one rupee that's how it was because I didn't agree to anything that

they said right from when I was a kid and they're like they were I probably pissed them off with uh my criticism of the way they live life so yeah uh anyway so I am in touch with some of my family now and they started to respect me now but uh there was a time when my reputation with my family was fully spoiled and I wouldn't say that it's recovered fully and I'm not even Keen to recover it but uh there there's there's a time when I spoiled my reputation in society by being an absolute absolute drunkard then I was like w I'm supposed to be like a teacher yoga teacher a world teacher that's what my Guru wanted me to be but uh I I I I had to really work hard to get out of all the addictions get back on on track and start teaching people things that make sense and what I have actually come on Earth to do so when I got back onto that

track then everything has been good it's been all uh growing well so that's where we are right now wow so first of all I'm just kind of Blown Away by the number of ups and downs that you've clearly seen in your life and it really sounds like for most people or at least in my circle when I talk to somebody you know the the lows that they have is sure they're lows but they're not that they're not all that in that you know it's it's not it doesn't sound like it's even in the same league of stuff that you've seen and so many things that you said I you know immediately just wanted to stop you and be like wait what can you tell me more about that so I'm kind of going to do that basically now like you know going forward but before I do that I kind of want to understand um currently what are some of the you said you've been an

entrepreneur pretty much since you were 13 it sounds like so I'm kind of trying to understand for just to contextualize um what are the type of services specifically I know you mentioned teaching yoga and teaching spirituality and all of that but can you help just draw a word or you know a word picture around the type of services that you offer and basically what it is there's only one door you know as of now there's only one door in into the curriculum basically what I'm doing is running an ecosystem and anything can happen here it's like an experimental petri dish anything anything can take place okay so I've got people who have utterly failed and who have nowhere else to go all of them come to me and then I give them a new life by giving them a new identity and also giving them new beliefs and uh moral systems that help

them to make decisions in their life where they were formerly indecisive and losing energy so now some of these people they all want to help other people because they've understood that it's being selfish is not going to help and being selfless is not going to help either we got we have to come up with symbiosis everywhere and the the meaning of yoga is symbiosis by the way not many people know that it's when two people unite yeah when two people unite they're said to be in yoga so that's what it is and uh spiritual yoga is uh for you to unite with God to be one to have symbiosis with God so it's all pretty straight forward and uh very simple uh this brings about an ecosystem where people learn communication they learn how to ask for what they want they learn to offer help when somebody else wants it so because of that,

There are lots of things happening here you come in through the 64-day challenge which is the my Challenge and my test to see if somebody is got it in them to do yoga or not so I'm having a smaller challenge like for five weeks I give them a free challenge where they not for five weeks but for five days I give them a free challenge where I can see whether they've got the discipline hunger dedication thirst and uh the uh humility to learn and to change themselves and I'll know in these five days so I I filter out a lot of people from there so the others I tell them this is where you need to develop yourself go this is how you can do it I send them on a pathway another Journey where they finish and come come back so gurukulam is a place where a guru gives you different Journeys to do

and you take up that journey and you you go on it so the first journey is the 64-day challenge the people who come out of that Journey they siddhas they have three siddhis wak siddhi Bish siddhi and Shar siddhi which means the power of speech they can talk they can it's the mother of all skills because if you can ask somebody a skilled person to join you or help you then they will if they have made a right offer so that's that's that's just communication skills walk siddhi okay speech skills and then the other one is bisha siddhi the ability to create a timeline that your body needs to get ready for so your body gets ready for your agenda whatever it is okay so you have an agenda this evening I'm going to play football your body is already now busy sending nutrition nourishment and reinforcement to your legs because

you're going to use your legs a lot so it's not good to have surprises when you're not prepared for it but when you're prepared for it you can do it so in self-defense class the people would ask me like how you know why do you keep emphasizing on awareness and i' crumple up a paper ball and throw it at them boom they couldn't catch it because it hit them smack in the face they didn't expect it I said now expect it I'm going to do it again do the exact same thing they stop it block it catch it they don't let it hit their face because they're prepared your body has to be prepared for what's coming and it forms according to that so if you want a beautiful body create a beautiful future your body will get prepared to become beautiful for that beautiful future but most people don't start there they say I want a beautiful

body I need to control what I eat and I need to work out I need to get disciplined without any proper future for which that body is required people are thinking most people are thinking I'll I'll I'll get sexy and I'll get some mate ver is what they're thinking when they're going to exercise a stupid reason to get your body is not going to get ready for that because you don't believe it okay so your body gets ready for three things one there has to be a massive Win For You undoubtedly only wins no losses your body will get ready for it okay I tell K we're going fishing today on the lake on a boat and he's ready at 4:30 in the morning if I tell him we need to leave at 5:00 he's ready at 4:30 in the morning I tell him at 5:00 we're going to go to school and they're going to take special classes for you he's going

to wake up when I go and wake him up you're not going to wake up otherwise exactly so in the same way we need to prepare our body for a win and it needs to be morally right secondly and you need to know how to do it at least you need to know the steps and you need to know that you can learn these steps if you haven't broken things down into steps you are so screwed nothing is going to sit on your timeline you you're just going to prepare to avoid all the work that you want to do because these three things are not in place and psychology has been around for years and nobody's mentioned this clearly these three things but in yoga it's very clear which is why I get results I get I show people the win I show them that is morally right I show them how to do it and they do it that brings to mind uh I remember

reading this about this peer reviewed study recently where they had some people basically they made a control group and a normal group and they had one group obviously doing normal workouts with weights and such and for the other group they were they just asked them to Envision in their brains that their muscles are becoming bigger and stronger while they just did you know air weights so they they didn't even use actual weights and they found that obviously it was like there were more there was more Improvement in the group that was using actual weights but the group not using or just using air weights was not even that far behind in terms of the progress they saw they also saw very real very tangible progress so it sounds like basically what you you're saying is really just you know your version of um or your discovery of that

exact same thing which is really interesting to me is not a discovery this is a principle taught in Siddha yoga so it's it's very ancient I see these are the two things which get people moving gotcha so I guess from there like I'm kind of interested in exploring really the connection between spirituality and religion because I know these two terms are used interchangeably a lot but they're very different so how would you in your worldview uh explain where the overlap and where the differences like between spirituality and religion yeah I don't see any difference for me this the same thing I mean My Religion teaches me about God and uh that's how I connect to God like what is this other layer called spirituality where I need to be agnostic. The self is right here so just to explain um or maybe give

some more context for some people they believe that there is a way to be close to whoever to them is god without carrying out the religious um rights or you know Puja for example at least in Hinduism they're like why should I need to do Puja to be close to God when I can just feel God just in my bed while I'm laying with my eyes shut does that kind of make sense in terms of where the difference for some people lies makes no sense how else are you supposed to reach God it's a lot of work and it's very very cleanly recommended in Tantra like what exactly you have to do and how many times you to do it and what what kind of attitudes you have to have this is all detailed in the tantras you know how can you escape look if I fill like I'm sitting in a space now which is around 1,00 Square fet okay and I cannot fit

all the religious books that we have in this space it will need more space the entire Nalanda University was burned down are they all idiots just think about it why would they go on writing books do you think they couldn't come to this conclusion sitting on that easy chair these are books written by practitioners people who got in the field who actually did things it's like someone commenting I mean I don't I don't see people commenting on uh Quantum science or something like this but for religion they feel that it's completely worthless just because they don't understand it they don't understand Quantum science either but they're not spitting on it because it's it's giving them computers and whatever whatever I don't know okay um the proof of science is the dirty radiation that we' filled the air with 5G and Wi-Fi and

other such non-native EMF which interfere with the EMF of your own body this is the achievement of Science and people respect it while the achievement of yoga is that I can communicate with my Guru who sits in the mountains in Himalayas without polluting the Earth but they don't want to learn about it because it takes some discipline and also it takes respect which they're taught not to do you're taught not to respect yoga and other religions in school and now now yoga is going around saying yoga is not a religion while being one of the six darshanas of Hinduism yoga's going around saying we are not a religion it's yoga is a religion where do you think it comes from every book from the Vedas and Shastras, everything mentions yoga is it not Hinduism Sanatan it is why are we so apologetic about it

oh my God so from what you've already laid out uh um I'm actually kind of just blown away by how deep your knowledge seems to be when it comes to uh you know not really just Hinduism but really where as far as religion is concerned so um just for a really quick background snapshot I grew up fairly religious in a fairly religious household my parents are still very religious as are most people in my house for me personally it just so happened that I was never I I was never able to find my way to where it is you know the compass that I live my life with everything that I do re revolves around that which I'm told is the actual way to use religion so and I know for a fact that there are many people many friends of mine many really most of my friends kind of fall under that bucket what would you say to people

like me who want to find a way back but just find it really difficult maybe because there isn't enough exposure or knowledge or yeah there's just a gap somewhere so what can I do starting you know today or tomorrow that will start bringing me closer to my roots of uh Hinduism you need to see the win in it first you see a win in it a clear win what's your win it will give purpose I think it will give me purpose in life everything all our kingdoms were navigated by religion everyone had purpose at that time when religion started falling apart everything built around it started falling apart the science of India the uh the architecture of India everything just just everything the armies everything was run on religion so yes it will give you purpose and it will give you direction if you go deep into it and

it's very ancient it's not like this 200-year-old British education system which are called tames Nadi Aya Mand it's not that you know so it's it's all about being we we put a big emphasis on something called Prakriti which is nature and without nature we can't live and if if we were following religious principles we would never have allowed such such bad uh pollution and really uh rape of the environment we wouldn't have allowed it okay so that's why we we really need to get back that's the win for you to get back you get connected back to a grid that was from before 200 100 years ago ago maybe nobody knows how old because when you read the Puranas they talk about eternity so right that's why it's called Sanatan the religion that's Eternal okay so that's your win but is it morally right for you because then

you'll have to see like am I going to be am I going to get ridiculed by my friends are they going to like disown me and you if you have all these insecurities you have moral issues with this a part of your morals don't agree with it a part of it does because you find that if you start following religion you won't be allowed to drink you won't be allowed to uh stay out uh I mean not allowed to but the this is what is essential for you to build energy you start learning something like yoga you need to build energy you can't expose yourself to Blue Light you know and even if you go out at night you'll have to wear wear this most people can't do this you don't want to wear this in the night and cut out the blue light okay so it's very we have very clear guidelines called Devi maryada even before Dr. Jack Kruse came up

with all this. Even when Dr. Jack Kruse started teaching the world about it we already had Devi maryada this is something I was following and he wouldn't Baba told me that light interferes with Enlightenment so if you have the wrong kind of light you can never have the internal light and there is a lot of internal UV light we need to take care about all that so there are some maryadas to follow they're named after the Devis and there so various ways in which Devi comes to you and you have to follow that so when you start following that you'll find that you can't have your Social Circle anymore CU those guys start meeting after the sun sets correct so then you'll have to have a new new Social Circle people who wake up at 4: in the morning which is which is a complete big

modal challenge for people so you need to overcome that model challenge to put it and the third thing is you need a step by step you really need to know what's my next step what my next step after that where do I go and how do I get to my win you need to see all the steps to your win then you'll put it on your agenda and you'll do it you literally manifest it I think what I'm wondering is let's let's say that you know I am able to take all these really difficult decisions and be able to achieve or you know pin down that morally yes I want to do it I don't care if it if it loses or shrinks my Social Circle all of that is fine um but from that point is the next step then reading the Puranas and the Vedas and embodying that wisdom the Bhagavad Gita or and is there an order to that or can I just start anywhere and it doesn't even

matter you don't start anywhere you do what the guru tells you to do that's a religion religion okay this is very hard for the Western mind it's a very hard for the Western mind they can't take it so that's why I have very few foreign students I have a few who can take it but those who can't take it can't make it because you can't listen to another human being and accept that he knows more than them there's too much of this democracy thing going on you know I don't know what Ry because I think it's more like equality equality equality equality you make yourself equal to the guru which is a big no no in India the guru is treated as a God and then there's a huge problem that the West has with that this is how Cults are formed, etc., and that is not how cults are formed. Cults are formed by people who have very clear intentions to exploit

others MH yeah and you need to be able to evaluate that by the experience that you're having with someone but people just don't care to evaluate they just jump into Cults because it helps them to escape from the problems of their life no cult is going to ask you to face your life problems they're going to tell you of some promise something that you can do and it will just happen and then they make you invest in that and pay them a lot of money to learn that or to do that you know that's really what it is it's easy for it's easy to investigate so when you find a real Guru you got to really treat him like a real Guru but people are unable to do that in even in India it's becoming hard for some people but but that's so I maybe I think the disconnect there is that how does one find a guru you know I don't think there's a

Marketplace online that you could go to you realize you're asking you really we realize you're asking this to a guru right it's a funny question to ask exactly but that's I I understand the irony in it yeah okay well but but so here's my thing most gurus most gurus that I know or that I don't know aren't using the leverage that the internet offers to you know get to people or Reach people you are doing that and you are really unique in that right is that true or are there is every Guru out there doing this I think everyone's got teams man they're even paying a lot of money for it like uh the big gurus they have fan pages which they pay an ad agency to make and then they make so much fanfare about themselves at least I'm not doing any of that stuff true you know so they're they're they're really promoting themselves they

like some of the biggest Spenders on uh meta ads are the Indian gurus so are you just referring to like Baba Ramdev and these folks Ori okay so here's my thing is Big there's a whole lot of people are big fa fair enough so I feel like if I wanted you know it's kind of like how you go to a school and if you have one teacher that's teaching 100 students you're like let's go to another school where I'll have one is to 20 ratio so how do I find like a nice uh Guru that I'm that I have access to and that isn't out there doing like a corporation type not that it's a bad thing I just want to be clear but how can I get a personalized attention from it is it is a bad thing because people are not getting the answers that they need right okay I didn't want to assume assume iume that it it's obvious it's obvious

that system is broken it doesn't work if you want to scale and this is my advice to all the gurus who might be happening to listen to this to spy on what I'm saying will you please make more gurus there's nothing else to do yes make more gurus that's the only way to do it don't scale it with your stupid corporate system and funnels you know everyone thinks that they're they're like like a marketer and they're thinking like a marketer you don't have to Market religion to people people are already hungry give them the real thing and they'll come and at your place you know no that's that's really powerful and so also what is the procedure to become a guru you come and learn with me you had a stage my SW and learn I have 15 people here staying with me all going to become gurus maybe in a year or two so in a

year on two there'll be 15 of me wow and huh who are empowered to make social media like I make okay and to teach with the clarity that I teach maybe even more I expect my students to do better than me because they're standing on my shoulder mhm absolutely and I expect their students to do even better than them I mean even if I train I I realize that if I train 100 gurus it's enough they'll Train 100 gurus each and they'll Train 100 gurus each I have to reach 7 crore gurus this is what my guru's Guru told me that you have to create 7 crore gurus which is 70 million. Why that number? I don't know. He said that's the number required if you want to have any kind of depth yeah and are you of the opinion that anybody can be a guru as long as they pass the test that you had the 5-day test and the 64-day no no no being a guru is not that is only

to be a sadhak to turn into a siddha but to teach others you need to go through a lot more tests okay that makes sense yeah I mean I've been I've been teaching people for 10 years and 15 years to be a guru I've been literally slapping them giving them black eyes when they don't get it because they really need that you know they need that hard school yeah they need hard school man my teacher was very tough on me and that's how you get strong because the trouble that your Guru can give you nobody else can give you in the world then you're not scared of it at all so there was this martial artist uh what's his name Mikhail Ryabko uh who's somebody I really respect okay a lot of people laugh at him and say it's all fake and all that this a whole bunch of people but everyone has gone to fight with him has been bounced

off the walls and he looks around he said when I came out of the army all I wanted to do is eat food and I'm going to eat food and he became round but he was a sniper before that and he killed a lot of people and uh he wanted to kind of uh make up spiritually for it so he ended up in a church an Orthodox Church where the the uh priests there were practicing breath work pranayam okay so he learned that and then he integrated that into his martial arts and then he he created something called the system Systema in Russian so this guy uh sent one of his students wanted to go for uh mixed martial art tournament so he went there but he saw those people and he got scared he saw the build big muscles and the build you know because anyone practicing system looks like a normal person they don't have big muscles this

have they don't have big muscles this guy got scared looking at the fitness of the athlete in front of him and then he was he came out of the ring and then he started started leaving and went and and when he was leaving from The Ring as he was coming out got walloped in his stomach so hard that it took him about 20 minutes to recover from that when he came to he said what was that why did you hit me like that it was Ryabko who had given him a punch in his stomach and he told him no that guy is not going to hit you even one tenth as hard as that you can handle it go so he went and fought and he won okay so you're only as tough as the toughness you faced this is this is what people have forgotten okay literally my teacher used to throw me in a jungle and say I'll see you after four or five days and he would vanish and I got to survive that

man like with everything so that's how it is it's not like he didn't he didn't put me there untrained he put me there he trained me properly and put me but people need training also to come out of their uh uh own habit of getting in their own way somebody's got to measure it and they got to be accountable to somebody so it's when you have that kind of accountability that your integrity grows so you had to be okay when you're training uh when you're training gurus do you also put them through similar stuff where they have to pass sounds like challenging tests I get them life situations to see who they really are now that may sound strange right but I can give people life situations if I wanted to I have the authority so I create situations in their life and then they I see how they struggle there if they're going to die I'll take them out

Then you're not going to be a siddha. Okay. So when you say life situations you're not actually putting them in a forest or somewhere you're saying that you simulate problems in their daily lives is that right that's right absolutely right okay got it yeah that's and this is new it's a very old tool right correct and do any of them ever are like okay I quit I don't want this please like end this does that ever happen many many many many quit they go back to their ordinary lives working in a corporation they don't make it as a guru wow um just I I just feel like the number of you know new things or brain expansion that's been going on at least for me just by talking to you is you know just off the charts um for really this last section here I want to maybe just personally as I was alluding to earlier focus a little bit more on religion um

especially obviously Hinduism and just for some context I live in the US I've been here for about 5 years and yeah in a lot of ways leaving home has gotten me closer to home in that now I feel way more drawn towards my religion than I was even when I was in India but obviously there are some really common criticisms that people have to say generally about how Hinduism works and obviously as I'm sure you're aware one of the biggest ones of those is you know just uh the caste system and how it's how deeply it's ingrained so what I personally have difficulty uh wrapping my head around and I know this is true for most of my friends so we're talking about thousands and you know basically millions of people here that I'm sure would look really favorably towards Hinduism and would accept it and really participate

you know head first but don't because they're like no this is wrong this feels incorrect so what can you tell us about specifically the caste system and what's your take on that and how do you deal with that it was a legal requirement in Ancient India and uh you know because they didn't have one love for everyone because they thought everyone's is not equal uh everybody has something called a Dharma and you can do one of four things you can either teach then you're a Brahman but not teach tames N Stuff you teach The Vedas you're a Brahman and this is by by deed in the mahabarata Yudhishthira clarifies this he ask him how does varna happen like how does a person can a person inherit a caste is what the Yaksha asks to Yudhishthira and he says no it's only done by deed not by inheritance a Brahman son need not be a

Brahman like by birth Ravana was a Brahman but not by acts right whereas he was a Kshatriya a warrior so somebody who's a warrior who actually learns martial arts and knows how to fight and protect Society that's called a Kshatriya they have a separate law when a Kshatriya does something wrong their laws are separate when a Brahman does something wrong his laws are separate then there's the Vaishya the ones who are in you know who who bring Commerce and commerce is a very old thing in India we had trade with Europe with uh with Greece and Far Away lands uh like maybe even uh Africa we had a lot of trade so these were called the Vaishyas the ones who took care of the economy and then there's another the rest of the people who worked for the society inside were called Shudras later by misinterpreting of the text people

started to make something called Untouchables and all that because there are are rules uh which we need to follow for there are different laws for each each religion you know I mean each uh uh varna and that's that's really how it came about but then of course the way it's been practiced in the in the past few hundred years is is pretty sad and uh it wasn't practic like this it wasn't like inequality wasn't like it wasn't like inequality but it's not like unfairness it's just different laws that apply because of the nature of the profession correct and actually I I didn't even know that uh it was not inherited by birth my whole understanding until this point was that you had to be the son of a Brahman to be a Brahman and there was no other way to do that I mean it's likely that a Brahman is a son of a Brahman above kids

it's not necessary at all MH right no that that's the thing I was that is so interesting I think I'm all four castes man when I when I make podcasts or I I teach something then I'm I'm being a Brahman when I practice martial arts I'm being a Kshatriya when I do uh when I raise money for the foundation I'm being a Vaishya and when I do the jobs within the foundation and I'm being a Shudra so we have now a social structure where one person has to be multiple things because there aren't enough educated people specialized in in doing what they're doing how do you think we could make all those temples who do you think made all the temples the brahmans no the Kshatriyas no the Vaishyas no it was the Shudras who made the temples into which they were only not let later this is later stuff let like keep them out make them

Untouchables don't drink the same water this is all crap how did all that happen it just feels so far from what you're laying out that I like how did we even get here do you have any idea about that by chance moral corruption there was there were no no no no gurus to to come and slap people you know the gurus got corrupt the Brahman got corrupt greed just you know greed basically uh I think it's the nature of the earth okay this is also explained in the text Vyasa has clearly written that the 12 tectonic plates of of Earth were formed from the fat of Madhu and Kaitabha when they got killed by Vishnu and then the fat fell into the Earth so then the land mass that exists on Earth is inherently evil and it goes on creating and supporting evil and by evil I mean unfairness non symbiosis where somebody wins and the

other loses these kind of arrangements win-lose arrangements are evil. Win-win arrangements are always good. It is a constant war between good and evil people who want to be symbiotic find it really hard on this Earth people who want to be selfish find it really easy those who want to be selfless find it really easy but to make a mutual win or a win-win as it's called is very difficult you need to have great communication skills for that to happen nobody wants to invest time in that because this is easily supported on this Earth wow so so you're saying we're almost inherently incentivized to play zero-sum games where there must be a winner loser and it's way harder to play positive-sum games where multiple people can win at

the same time create something yeah to create something takes more energy it takes more Talent it takes more skill it takes more training it takes more Fitness and people are not ready for that they want this the fast win the that they want this the fast win which is only their win they don't want anyone else to win isn't that crazy wow how's that s people are just dying you know because of this people are dying at 70 in India they die at 70. Seventy should be the peak of youth huh definitely a lot of food for thought in that and on that same note can you um also please for us share any you know daily recurring practices that people can do to bring themselves closer to either yoga or as you said um being closer to Prakriti and Earth and nature and yeah good practices

you know people most people should be able to do easily actually forget most people just that people should be doing yeah so one is of course to follow your circadian rhythms and don't blast yourself with light after Sunset and sleep early so that you wake up really early before the sunset and then in that time you practice Om chanting you can sit on a chair or on the floor or whatever don't be embarrassed to chant om but not not not so loud it's not shouting it's chanting right so going oh and get a crystal mala like this this is the one I use for my my chanting and I I twist it between the this finger and this finger we don't touch it with the index finger right because the index finger kind of uh has has too much energy it's made of the space element and it can like alter stuff so you want this which

is the wind element you want you want this and fire you want Wind and Fire to go into the Mala that's what you're doing so you keep rolling it you keep doing so you keep rolling it with each oh you roll it you do a one Mala and if you have the energy you do another Mala and then you wear the Mala that'll that'll protect you for the rest of the day the internal sounds that we make have uh have been proven to make Quantum shifts in our biology as well that's the quantum biologist catching up with you and then it is really good for your voice as well it gives you a commanding booming voice which you can then use uh positively to make an impact in society how many how many beads are there in the Mala as in how how long do you have to or do should you chant for roughly it's 108 okay that yeah just wanted to

confirm yeah maybe Shiva is one but Devi is eight uh so and they both come from zero when they both meet together at zero so it's 108 it's a very holy number for us yes that's so you chant it 108 times and then it it starts uh having the effects of increasing your energy another very simple practice to do is called anna yagna our religion is based on yagna yagna came from Yagna Varaha different body parts of his became different yagnas it is detailed in the Kalika Purana you can read it there's a chapter on yagna Varaha and his three sons and what happened Vishnu as the boar who who lifted the Earth why he had to be destroyed by uh sharaba shareshar which is a form of Shiva like the most violent form of Shiva he had to get destroyed and every where his tail became a yagna his intestines became yagna his eyes became

a yagna his teeth became a yagna they're all different yagnas and that there is one called anna yagna which is heart became and this is what I'm going to teach you now and it's a very important thing for anyone practicing Sanatan to know there are three agnis one agni is at the mola we can call it the sexual Fire or the creative fire the reproductive fire it burns on your pelvic floor another another fire Burns at your stomach belly here I mean actually your stomach jeta jeta means stomach okay so mola means root so there's Mula means root, so there is Mula agni, jathara agni, and chitta agni, the mind's fire which burns in the head so you give an offering of ghee to all these agnis every day this is your job so you take one spoon of ghee you

say you're telling your body this is for the Mula agni not for me and then you swallow it so that goes to the Mula agni and the Mula agni starts to grow take another spoon teaspoon okay not too much and then you say uh you say this is for the you can say it in English too this is for the jatharagni not for me and then you eat and then you you take a third spoon and you say this is for the chitta agni, not for me this is you telling your body loudly and you you say these three mantras and you eat the ghee three times and you see wow something's growing inside me this plus the OM chanting is all anyone needs to do they'll get back on track I know there's also some practices where people rub uh ghee or you know uh like oil really in in their navel and apparently that also has certain benefits uh but must be different from yeah yeah but I'm

sure all of these things if you had you know any random person listen to this they would just be like oh this is just what is this person even say but I thought show how much of a closed mind they have right like why dismiss something without even trying it look at me man or 50 years old I can lift anyone and throw them so it's because of these practices right and it's coming from me not from some overweight sad person so you should listen listen from where the knowledge is coming from exactly I think that's really the uh um you know shift that needs to happen certainly and really last question before I let you go here because obviously you know I I know you have so many important things to do but and that relates specifically to um how creatively and how well you've been navigating uh or leveraging social media

to get your message out there to people so just curious to know for any other gurus out there that want to also kind of follow your path that are just starting out and want to get uh you know a a decent amount of reach really is the important word here on social media what are some themes that you found resonated really well with your audience when you were building it and what are you focused on in in that sphere I don't really think about um themes as such I I advise everyone to get live and start talking to your audience because you don't know what your audience wants you can't assume your audience wants what my audience wants so go out there talk to them do a lot of a ask me anything yeah and then you'll get to know you got to research but if your only audience is only your small friend Circle then if you want to grow your

audience you had to start hanging out in other other forums and you know researching the internet I have a student who does my research for me I have no idea how she does it but if I say tell me what are people asking about Siddha yoga she'll give me like 400 questions people have asked on on the internet so there's ways to do that research you would be better off making content on what people want to hear instead of making content on what you want to make that makes total sense and just uh really actual actual last question is would you consider yourself an expert in the social media sphere or that is that outside your uh you know Guru uh expertise uh knowledge I'm no expert I have a good team that's all so the only reason I wanted to clarify that is um you know obviously as I'm sure you you are aware the theme of my show is

you know I talk to not experts about how they're two steps ahead of somebody that hasn't started and I'm just trying to clarify here that when I refer to you as a not expert that's not uh you know a commentary on your Guru or V or Vidya it's more on how you've navigated the social media sphere to you know have us connected cuz I would never have even when it comes to teachings and knowledge I I want to forget everything because a fish doesn't have to remember its lessons on how to swim do you do you remember how to walk you just walk so that in the way is I'm not I'm I'm I'm not full of knowledge about yoga I I am yoga like darly said I am drugs you have to be yoga you have to be in yoga that's it there's no I don't remember techniques my students come and ask me does does manipura have 10 petals or 16

petals and I'm like um I don't know so that's not the kind of pie I want to be I'm like I'm I'm like how does that make a difference in your life if it has 16 pedals or 10 petals how does it make a difference in your life and then and if they have a good answer to that then I'll try to remember the lesson otherwise I don't want to remember that lesson that's so interesting to me I feel like in all of the months that I've been doing this I've just never been exposed to that this idea where you you start to literally embody a certain you know skill or this is not the skill I don't actually even know what it is it's a way of life I guess is what it is and you just become it which is so fascinating to me as a concept it's actually so cool so when you are a yogi it means you know nothing I don't know I look at everything with the eyes

of a beginner even if I know it I forget about it I look maybe there's another perspective that I didn't see and I'm not disappointed every time that is something I've not seen before the world is so infinite you can't possibly know when the guy says I know it that's it that's a beginning of ego you're not going to know anything after that that and you already know it. But how do you teach someone who already knows exactly that that's so true and that also brings to mind sometimes when I'll reach out to a certain guest for a certain episode and they'll be like oh I would love to come on but sorry I'm an expert at this you know which which is so counterintuitive I'm like uh okay I guess sure um you don't have to come on don't have to you don't have to come on but

but however fast who's the fastest guy on Earth it's Usain Bolt right he's not the fastest guy on Earth there are people faster than him but they just didn't come to the Olympics because they didn't really think of themselves as experts any yeah there's multiple lessons in there for sure but I really just want to truly and you know really thank you for taking the time today um I actually can't even believe I had the chance to talk to you and really looking forward to you know staying connected and also watching all of the amazing content that you put out I feel like I learned so much from you know a 30-second Reel that you put out that it makes me feel like okay maybe Instagram isn't the worst thing so thank you so much for doing that. I'm trying to make Instagram a

better place you really have been I feel like if you're going to watch Reels might as well watch something you know that actually has a transformative positively transformative uh impact on your life so again thank you so much for doing that and I and thank you for asking me nice questions that I I really enjoyed answering so I'm I'm happy to do another episode with you whenever you want absolutely you know what we should do is I will open up an AMA for my audience to to collect all of the questions that they would want to ask you and then we'll do another one focused on all of those questions is the way to go on social media. I see exactly yeah and again I learned I just learned that about you know 10 minutes ago from you and I'm actually kind of kicking myself for not already

doing this it feels so obvious right yeah making them and you don't ask them what they want exactly I just I'm like oh let's drop to X and Y and yeah thank you thank you so much yeah take care yep have a great rest of your day you too that brings us to that fascinating discussion with Guru Pashupati I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did honestly, I was kind of taken aback multiple times through the episode I'm not sure if you could tell but if you would like to support me the easiest way to do that is by subscribing to the YouTube channel and leaving me up to a five-star rating on Spotify or your favorite podcast app there are also links in the description for more effective ways to support me if you have any feedback or suggestions please comment them in the comment box it really makes my day and I love

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